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quadratics · Jul 19, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Hey

Just a question:
i know sum swords like shiro swords, etc have health regeneration -1 life stealing 3.

Does this mean why holding this sword u continually lose 1 health and when u hit sum1 u get more health. If so wouldnt it be bad to use that weapon and could u die just standing around (answering phone, etc).

thanku 4 answering my nub question

Reason · Jul 19, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Alright

#1: YES you WILL have a -1 health regen AT ALL TIMES.

#2: Yes, every time you strike with a sword, you will gain 3hp.

#3: If you forsee the need to go AFK for something, simply switch your weapon or unequip it (which you should do between fight anyways)

sykoone · Jul 19, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Yes. Weapons such as these are called vampiric weapons. While they can provide a steady but small stream of healing in combat, they will give you a permanent -1 health degeneration. If you're going to use vampiric weaponry, it's best to carry a second set of non-vampiric weapons for when you are not in battle.

quadratics · Jul 19, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I still dont understand why ppl would want a sword like that unless it looked awesome/glowed/rare. To my understanding the only place u would use it is in the thick of combat wer u r always attacking

Thx for answering my question so quickly

much appreciated

Yichi · Jul 19, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

because it is free extra damage that is armor ignoring. You would only use this weapon when attacking. When inbetween mobs, you would swap out of your vampiric weapon.... and yes while there are skills that can regenerate your health, it is about a good of an idea to use these as it would by to play in traffic in rush hour blindfolded....

bilateralrope · Jul 19, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadratics

I still dont understand why ppl would want a sword like that unless it looked awesome/glowed/rare. To my understanding the only place u would use it is in the thick of combat wer u r always attacking

People use it because vamp weapons (with a max vamp mod) give the highest mean damage per second (DPS) in almost all situations. The degen is only a problem if you can't hit as much because then the lifestealing doesn't counter it.

When not in battle, switch to another weapon.

Etta · Jul 19, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Always have mutiple set of different dmg type weapons, elemental, slash, vamp etc. Some enermies have a high armor vs certain type of dmg, such as rangers. Some people use vamp mod for that extra kick add to the dmg because it will always active unlike sundering.

But only use it in a fight, then switch to a different set when you done, you have 4 weapon set up slots for a reason. Whatever you do, don't use mending to cancel out the degen, it makes you look stupid.

Onarik Amrak · Jul 19, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vampiric

Stormlord Alex · Jul 19, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

People use Vampiric weapons because sundering, as a rule of thumb, sucks.
The -1 degen is only really a threat if you lack the mental capacity to press F2 out of battle.

Yichi · Jul 19, 2007, 11:15 AM // 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

People use Vampiric weapons because sundering, as a rule of thumb, sucks.

This is only partially true as it is based on weapon type. While on a sword or daggers, that have a faster attack speed, a vampiric will outyield a sundering in dps overall, but on a higher end damage weapon like a scythe , your dps will actually be better with a sundering than with a vampiric due to it having a slower attack speed. not too mention sundering scythe crits are sexy in terms of damage

Stormlord Alex · Jul 19, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Well, I'm talking in terms of PvE, where straight extra damage owns the crap out of armour penetration (given higher armour of PvE mobs).

PvP's slightly different, I'll take sundering sets for higher-crit weapons there because sundering + crit + running squishy is fun

free_fall · Jul 19, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

In addition to vamp weapons working especially well when used in conjunction with certain skills (i.e. skills that strike multiple targets, like Hundred Blades or Barrage, or strike the same target twice, like Sun and Moon Slash), there are also ways to negate the Health degen.

> If you have Mo 2nd, you can run Mending on yourself (at the cost of -1 Energy regen); of course, you have to be careful doing this, since many enemies can strip your enchantments.

> If your region has favor, you can buy a blessing at Dwayna's shrine for +1 H regen for 20 minutes.

> If you're in a Luxon- or Kurzick-controlled area of Factions, you can buy a blessingfrom the priests at the shrine in explorable areas that give +3 H regen for as long as you're in that map. This one's especially nice as you can then use that vamp weapon and still have +2 H regen.

A nice thing about the blessings is that they can't be stripped (like enchantments) and they last through death and res.

If you're going with a vamp waepon for the health benefits, you're probably better off just using a normal weapon and casting Vigorous Spirit on yourself (if you have Mo 2nd). If you're going with one for the added damage, just be smart and minimize the negative effects.

Stormlord Alex · Jul 19, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

^^^^ Or, you could actually be smart, not running Healing Prayers crap, Flail in battle to maximize DPS, and F2 out of battle.

Vamp does not justify using Healing Prayers on a warrior.

Mordakai · Jul 19, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Also switch weapons when you are blinded, your opponent is blocking or dodging, etc. Anytime you can't hit, you're going to be losing health...

But, when you are hitting you'll be doing extra damage plus healing yourself. This weapon also works well when your attack speed is boosted by various skills, or you're hitting multiple targets with skills like Cyclone Axe or Triple Chop.

Personally, I find the -1, + x energy weapons better for my builds, whcih require a lot of energy usage. The same premise applies: when not hitting, switch to another weapon (although unlike the Vampiric, the Energy loss just decreases your gain rate instead of actually losing energy).

Jetdoc · Jul 19, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

This is only partially true as it is based on weapon type. While on a sword or daggers, that have a faster attack speed, a vampiric will outyield a sundering in dps overall, but on a higher end damage weapon like a scythe , your dps will actually be better with a sundering than with a vampiric due to it having a slower attack speed. not too mention sundering scythe crits are sexy in terms of damage

Absolutely incorrect. Check out the following analysis...

http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guide/viewGuides/2727.php

Although at higher damage Sundering gets CLOSER to Vampiric, Vampiric continues to outperform Sundering on average.

redant751 · Jul 19, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

I have to agree with "free_fall" any vamp weapons such as swords, axes, bows and dangers in combo with any skill that allows you to hit more than one enemy at once will allow you to do extra damage while healing your self.
I always use a monk secondary as this allows me to use ether Mending or Live vicariously to help offset the -1 health degen ,also switching to a second set of non vampiric weapon while not in combat is a must.

Ministry Of Peace · Jul 19, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Try running into a huge mob, and using "100 Blades"

redant751 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

love the victors blade (req.9 Vamp Sword) and "100 Blades" combo.

October Jade · Jul 19, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Hundred Blades and Mending? I bet other players must stare in awe when you swap to your FDS.

...

free_fall · Jul 19, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

lol - wasn't saying I do the Mending thing on my W, was just pointing out that it *could* be done (though not very well, based on some testing I did). That said, if I'm farming in Factions where the +3H regen is available then, sure, I'll whip out the Victo's and go to town.

On the other hand, Mending + vamp bow works so well on my Barrage ranger that he's become my prefered farming char.

Jul 19, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30	#1
quadratics Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: secret Profession: W/Mo	regeneration -1 wtf need help! Hey Just a question: i know sum swords like shiro swords, etc have health regeneration -1 life stealing 3. Does this mean why holding this sword u continually lose 1 health and when u hit sum1 u get more health. If so wouldnt it be bad to use that weapon and could u die just standing around (answering phone, etc). thanku 4 answering my nub question

Jul 19, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34	#2
Reason Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: California Profession: E/	Alright #1: YES you WILL have a -1 health regen AT ALL TIMES. #2: Yes, every time you strike with a sword, you will gain 3hp. #3: If you forsee the need to go AFK for something, simply switch your weapon or unequip it (which you should do between fight anyways)

Jul 19, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36	#3
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	Yes. Weapons such as these are called vampiric weapons. While they can provide a steady but small stream of healing in combat, they will give you a permanent -1 health degeneration. If you're going to use vampiric weaponry, it's best to carry a second set of non-vampiric weapons for when you are not in battle.

Jul 19, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38	#4
quadratics Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: secret Profession: W/Mo	I still dont understand why ppl would want a sword like that unless it looked awesome/glowed/rare. To my understanding the only place u would use it is in the thick of combat wer u r always attacking Thx for answering my question so quickly much appreciated

Jul 19, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42	#5
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	because it is free extra damage that is armor ignoring. You would only use this weapon when attacking. When inbetween mobs, you would swap out of your vampiric weapon.... and yes while there are skills that can regenerate your health, it is about a good of an idea to use these as it would by to play in traffic in rush hour blindfolded....

Jul 19, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00	#7
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Always have mutiple set of different dmg type weapons, elemental, slash, vamp etc. Some enermies have a high armor vs certain type of dmg, such as rangers. Some people use vamp mod for that extra kick add to the dmg because it will always active unlike sundering. But only use it in a fight, then switch to a different set when you done, you have 4 weapon set up slots for a reason. Whatever you do, don't use mending to cancel out the degen, it makes you look stupid.

Jul 19, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01	#8
Onarik Amrak Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Astral Revenants Profession: P/W	http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vampiric

Jul 19, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10	#9
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	People use Vampiric weapons because sundering, as a rule of thumb, sucks. The -1 degen is only really a threat if you lack the mental capacity to press F2 out of battle.

Jul 19, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17	#11
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	Well, I'm talking in terms of PvE, where straight extra damage owns the crap out of armour penetration (given higher armour of PvE mobs). PvP's slightly different, I'll take sundering sets for higher-crit weapons there because sundering + crit + running squishy is fun

Jul 19, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24	#12
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	In addition to vamp weapons working especially well when used in conjunction with certain skills (i.e. skills that strike multiple targets, like Hundred Blades or Barrage, or strike the same target twice, like Sun and Moon Slash), there are also ways to negate the Health degen. > If you have Mo 2nd, you can run Mending on yourself (at the cost of -1 Energy regen); of course, you have to be careful doing this, since many enemies can strip your enchantments. > If your region has favor, you can buy a blessing at Dwayna's shrine for +1 H regen for 20 minutes. > If you're in a Luxon- or Kurzick-controlled area of Factions, you can buy a blessingfrom the priests at the shrine in explorable areas that give +3 H regen for as long as you're in that map. This one's especially nice as you can then use that vamp weapon and still have +2 H regen. A nice thing about the blessings is that they can't be stripped (like enchantments) and they last through death and res. If you're going with a vamp waepon for the health benefits, you're probably better off just using a normal weapon and casting Vigorous Spirit on yourself (if you have Mo 2nd). If you're going with one for the added damage, just be smart and minimize the negative effects.

Jul 19, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39	#13
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	^^^^ Or, you could actually be smart, not running Healing Prayers crap, Flail in battle to maximize DPS, and F2 out of battle. Vamp does not justify using Healing Prayers on a warrior.

Jul 19, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#14
Mordakai Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kyhlo Profession: W/	Also switch weapons when you are blinded, your opponent is blocking or dodging, etc. Anytime you can't hit, you're going to be losing health... But, when you are hitting you'll be doing extra damage plus healing yourself. This weapon also works well when your attack speed is boosted by various skills, or you're hitting multiple targets with skills like Cyclone Axe or Triple Chop. Personally, I find the -1, + x energy weapons better for my builds, whcih require a lot of energy usage. The same premise applies: when not hitting, switch to another weapon (although unlike the Vampiric, the Energy loss just decreases your gain rate instead of actually losing energy).

Jul 19, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40	#16
redant751 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NYC,NY Guild: Gods Special Forces (GSF) Profession: R/E	I have to agree with "free_fall" any vamp weapons such as swords, axes, bows and dangers in combo with any skill that allows you to hit more than one enemy at once will allow you to do extra damage while healing your self. I always use a monk secondary as this allows me to use ether Mending or Live vicariously to help offset the -1 health degen ,also switching to a second set of non vampiric weapon while not in combat is a must.

Jul 19, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45	#17
Ministry Of Peace Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: req 12 land Guild: guildless for the time being Profession: P/	Try running into a huge mob, and using "100 Blades"

Jul 19, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08	#18
redant751 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NYC,NY Guild: Gods Special Forces (GSF) Profession: R/E	love the victors blade (req.9 Vamp Sword) and "100 Blades" combo.

Jul 19, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19	#19
October Jade Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal	Hundred Blades and Mending? I bet other players must stare in awe when you swap to your FDS. ...

Jul 19, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26	#20
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	lol - wasn't saying I do the Mending thing on my W, was just pointing out that it could be done (though not very well, based on some testing I did). That said, if I'm farming in Factions where the +3H regen is available then, sure, I'll whip out the Victo's and go to town. On the other hand, Mending + vamp bow works so well on my Barrage ranger that he's become my prefered farming char.